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| So when is Victory going to upgrade the Vision? Harley is not producing a 2014 Road Glide and it will re-appear in 2015. Will Victory keep up with what Harley has coming in 2015? Some 2014 Harley's have liquid cooled heads. They also went to a CANBUS system in 2014 (don't know if that is a good thing or not). The Polaris Indians have larger engines, will the Vision get a 112" or a 116" standard and a beefed up tranny/clutch? Will the Vision's engine get better cooling?
Will the Vision have a stronger "touring bike" charging system (GL1800 has had a 100amp charging system for years compared to a 48amp system on the Vision). Will the Vision get better "touring bike" storage? Better electronics and LEDs should be a no-brainer. Switching to LEDs should save on the charging system. They are already doing it on the X-Bikes. If they don't want to upgrade the electronics, they should at least provide a design for the user to do it on their own dime with aftermarket products. Proprietary form-factors prevent this. Xenon HID's with proper lenses would be a great option.
The VOG started a rumor about a 7th gear. Is that really an upgrade ??? Anyone have an incites on if/when any Vision changes maybe coming? TIA
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Two reasons they wouldn't do anything major next year:
1) not time yet, 8-10 years is not uncommon for a redesign, though some detail changes on the same platform with part swap outs with no major retooling could be possible. I'm not sure they sell enough Visions to make it cost effective, a cost of design and tooling is factored into a vehicle that pays for itself after a certain number are sold before it is financially feasible to start over.
2) I think they will let Indian build a little more (Chieftain Tour would be a guess).
That being said, I do believe they will do something in the next few years, taking a note from Harley. Possibly using the same basic engine but making some minor engine mods for more power, electrical upgrades, etc. Also possible that they change the Vision to make it a more mass appealing flagship (that one I am really just guessing at). Either way, I'm good, love my Vision and nothing I need I couldn't do myself for a few grand. |
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| The Vision is already 7 years old. 2015 will be 8.
When the Vision came out, it caused Harley to to keep pace with some features that the Vision provided (e.g. larger touring fuel tank, larger engines). Competition is good for everyone. It looks like the Vision is falling a little behind Harley now. I'd like to see the special Screaming Eagle 110 engine get "displaced" by a stock/standard Victory 116.
One other obvious option is to have the tour pack lights be functional running, turn, stop and hazard lights. Signal lights have been making their way North for years so it is natural to see them on the tour pack.
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Manchester, CT | based on historical trends, the most recent being Victory promoting the XC to flagship status, replacing the vision, the 2014's only change being color selection, it doesn't provide much encouragement as it pertains to the Vision's future.
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| I look at the XC and the Vision as a comparison with The Ultra and Roadglide. Two completely different bikes and I hope that they keep both styles of bike account there are two distinct types of riders in comparision. People I have met over the years that have RG's have more than once told they would never change from a fixed fairing style bike. Having just traded my 07 Ultra for my new Vision the biggest thing I was looking at is the ride and cost of maintenance. After riding the XC it is obvious that Vic is going after the fork mounted fairing HD owners. Which per capita has a very large piece of the touring market.
For the fixed fairing market I know we are less market share but a very serious share. Also when I got my first HD years ago everyone used to stop and say, "nice looking bike what kind is that?" After time that all went away. Since I picked up my new Vision I have had more people come up to me and ask that old question again. Usually they are all over it with positive remarks "Wow, Nice looking bike." Living outside of the box with owning these bikes says a lot for people not wanting to live the way the trends tell them. Everyday I get on this bike and am more and more impressed by the handling and comfort even in terrible weather conditions..... I am very very happy after my research to becoming a proud Vic owner, I hope that the Vision model endures years of production!!
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I'm going to ride my Vision payment free for a little while before I finance another bike (it's not payment free yet) but I would like bigger bags as long as they somehow keep the essence of the Vision. I was riding it through this serious S curve on my commute yesterday and my thoughts were "most touring bikes can't do this , no cruisers can do this!" I was really laying her down in the corners . This is said so much by me and others that I hope it isn't loosing it's meaning but "there is nothing like the Vision" I'm still a rock star on this thing. It also makes me look like a much more skilled rider than I am. This bike is easily better than I am but it gives me all the credit  I've never had a problem with the electrical system so I don't care if that's upgraded or not. |
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| Victory didn't just downgrade the Vision, for the most part, they also downgraded the Jackpot, Vegas, and Hammer since they only come in one color. For what? A hardball model that lasted two years, and the Judge and Boardwalk? I saw a total of 4 judges and Boardwalks combined at the AVR. |
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New Bohemia, VA | Jim has already made some comments I will agree with. I nearly pulled the trigger for a new bike, it started out with the Indian, and I was READY. But I had to ask myself, why? I ride all year round, and the Vision is my primary transportation. For a while that was it, except the wife's Liberty. I've got a Wrangler, which I love to drive, but I love to ride the Vision more, so it may be for sale. I decided if I got another bike it would be a Vision, which the dealer had a 2013 that I could have gotten a great deal on. I believe I could have walked with well under $20,000, but I had to ask why again. If my Vision is still running and performing like new, why do I need new? Upgrade, what's there to upgrade. Those who want bigger bags, don't know what you're asking for unless you want Bertha Butt for a Vision. I'm starting to realize that many Victory owners are not serious about the brand like the other guys are. 2014 will likely be a bad year for Victory, but not because it's not a great bike, but because of perception. This will likely cause Victory to refocus with the Indian being on board. I think I guessed one time that 75% of motorcycle buyers don't even ride the dumb things, but that's what keeps the profits coming in. Victory doesn't even think about me anymore, I bought my bike 6 years ago, but I'm a bigger spokesman for the brand than the 75%. For now, it doesn't matter what 2015 looks like for any of the motor companies, I'm content. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Victory through longevity it's how we will succeed as a company, a brand. I feel the same way as far as another bike. Why? Mine is running fine and I love it like it was new after 65,500 miles. I wouldn't even have a 2nd victory except that Ol' Blue was beginning to need some love that would put me afoot for a while. So, what started as flirting with the idea of a new victory (not a new bike, a new Victory) became necessity. When this one is worn to the point that reliability is questionable, I will look at a new one but that will be several more years.
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NE Florida Jacksonville | Contentment is a relative term for bike ownership. I was content with my TCD, the Vision did catch my attention but my TCD was working well. Then in 2010 they came out with the Ocean blue and Gold Vision and lust hit me. Now I'm content with my Vision and she runs great.
Then my wife woke me up to see the unveiling of the new Indians and darned if that old lust problem reappeared. My 2014 Indian Chief Vintage will arrive this coming Monday and I should be able to pick it up Wednesday. Yes I'm still content with my Vision but it will share a garage with my new Indian. Rainy weather I'll take the Vision and sunny days the Indian. Lust is a terrible thing, but I'm sure glad I have an understanding wife. She is as excited about the new stable mate as I am. My first red bike since my High School days with a 1966 Honda 90. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | My wife is passionate about motorcycling too. Sure makes life better when you don't have to fight with someone about stuff like that. I'm excited for all 2014 Indian owners. It will be monumental ! |
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Central Illinois | I love my Vision as it is but I think I would like it even better with XCT bags on it. Meanwhile, every day I talk to people in parking lots and gas stations and every day I sell another Vision with my own attitude. Folks really respond to the Vision's appearance, who knows why. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Oldman47 - 2013-10-12 4:38 AM
I love my Vision as it is but I think I would like it even better with XCT bags on it. Meanwhile, every day I talk to people in parking lots and gas stations and every day I sell another Vision with my own attitude. Folks really respond to the Vision's appearance, who knows why.
My wife says there is no telling how many I have sold and got no commission  I wouldn't want XCT bags on my Vision. I would like XCT capacity but I love the uni-body look of the Vision with integrated bags. I think the design is one thing that contributes to the way the Vision cuts through the air. So, I want my cake and eat it too I guess. I want greater capacity but I don't want a super wide rear end that might be unproportional and affect the efficiency of the Vision moving experience Maybe there is some compromise somewhere in that statement. I think the bags could be re-engineered to have greater capacity without sacrificing design. There is more room to be had inside the bag area. Illiminate some of the plastic petitions,bolsters , the small box areas outside be brought into the main box. I beieve this can be done without sacrificing strength or integrity of the bag area. The lids could be redesigned to incapsulate more without appearing wider. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | The one thing I am disappointed with is, how they put a really nice radio in the Indian, but we get this radio that they put in the vision?!? I mean just all the technology in general.. tire pressure monitors, oil life indictor etc. Do I NEED these no. Most hardcore riders would say they don't need a windshield or radio. But when you look at the technology of the Indian, it makes the vision look like a after thought... |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | I would love tire pressure moniter and oil life. I really believe these features will find their way to the Vision. |
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| Arkainzeye - 2013-10-12 7:37 AM ... But when you look at the technology of the Indian, it makes the vision look like a after thought... The same is true for the XC's LED lighting and storage compared to the Vision just 2 years after the Vision's introduction. I think there are a lot of improvements that can be made in the next generation of the Vision just by bringing existing technology over to the Vision to keep it on par with the other product lines. Surpassing parity would be even better.
I am planning my next bike purchase and am trying to determine if I will re-up with another Vision or not. My short list is pretty short right now.
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New Bohemia, VA | The problem is confusing, if you put that fancy stuff on the Vision, you'll have to jack up the price a lot along with it. Which begs the question, while the Indian is affordable, but a premium bike, how are they getting away with the perks at that price? |
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Central Maryland | jimtom - 2013-10-12 10:46 AM
I would love tire pressure moniter and oil life. I really believe these features will find their way to the Vision.
You want a tire pressure monitor and oil life? WTF?
Check your tires weekly for pressure; at the same time you are looking at the condition of the rubber. You are "visually" inspecting your tires; rather than from an instrument.... yes? Correct...?
Oil life? WTF? Do you have a working odometer? Change the frikken oil when it's time... you don't need no damned bells and whistles to advise you of that....
I sense that some of our brethern here are getting too laid back and want "Bentley" electonics with our beloved spaceship
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New Bohemia, VA | willtill - 2013-10-12 7:06 PM jimtom - 2013-10-12 10:46 AM I would love tire pressure moniter and oil life. I really believe these features will find their way to the Vision. You want a tire pressure monitor and oil life? WTF? Check your tires weekly for pressure; at the same time you are looking at the condition of the rubber. You are "visually" inspecting your tires; rather than from an instrument.... yes? Correct...? Oil life? WTF? Do you have a working odometer? Change the frikken oil when it's time... you don't need no damned bells and whistles to advise you of that.... I sense that some of our brethern here are getting too laid back and want "Bentley" electonics with our beloved spaceship Ride your ride. All above said in good fun... where about in central Merry Land do you live Will? We need to meet sometime, I ride to Winchester now and again, and don't mind a little out of the way sometimes. |
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seattle, wa | Bout the only things I think they need to change would be to offer more lights. And also fix the fuel injection.
If you change the bike too much, it will never stand the test of time, it will make our current bikes worthless.
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New Bohemia, VA | rwilly - 2013-10-12 11:24 PM Bout the only things I think they need to change would be to offer more lights. And also fix the fuel injection. If you change the bike too much, it will never stand the test of time, it will make our current bikes worthless. Continue making the bike so it will build a following and offer more aftermarket options. Good, Ron. It seems many want to make the Vision what it is not, and when they succeed, it will be the death blow to an engineering marvel. |
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Pittsburgh, PA | i dont mean this to be saying the vision is bad .. but you know what i think is a crook of $hit? how when i went to buy my first vision i read articles that said the vision was YEARS IN THE MAKING.. i thought it was 5-6 years? (if im wrong im sorry) but heres my point. so when the 2008 vision was released to the public, if you read these articles you would be led to believe that it was a polished motorcycles but look how the very NEXT year many things that had to "improve" speakers, (superseded rotor part number(s)) even things like charging system components. Im not saying it should never be improved . but the very next year? how well "tested" does that say the bike was?? look at the crappy radio... can they say they honestly tested that in Real World conditions? even the 2011 vision.. look at the 100,000 mile transmission !! then what do they do in 2012? change it again. lol by adding another improved gear. So how much true research are they doing? i remember my first dealer saying, he was shocked they would release their top of the line bike with a radio this bad... so when i come accross a article on how the vision came to be, it doesnt mean $hit to me, as i look at it as a bunch of lies. of typical P.R. bull$hit |
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New Mexico | Arkainzeye - 2013-10-13 6:07 AM
i dont mean this to be saying the vision is bad .. but you know what i think is a crook of $hit? how when i went to buy my first vision i read articles that said the vision was YEARS IN THE MAKING.. i thought it was 5-6 years? (if im wrong im sorry) but heres my point. so when the 2008 vision was released to the public, if you read these articles you would be led to believe that it was a polished motorcycles but look how the very NEXT year many things that had to "improve" speakers, (superseded rotor part number(s)) even things like charging system components. Im not saying it should never be improved . but the very next year? how well "tested" does that say the bike was?? look at the crappy radio... can they say they honestly tested that in Real World conditions? even the 2011 vision.. look at the 100,000 mile transmission !! then what do they do in 2012? change it again. lol by adding another improved gear. So how much true research are they doing? i remember my first dealer saying, he was shocked they would release their top of the line bike with a radio this bad... so when i come accross a article on how the vision came to be, it doesnt mean $hit to me, as i look at it as a bunch of lies. of typical P.R. bull$hit
Wow - Research to me means just that ~ Research. Theories and ideas tested, then applied in real-world scenarios. No matter how much testing is done it will never be 'right'. It's not possible to make sure everything is 100% perfect in every riding situation for every rider. My radio, for example, is just fine for me.
I can't defend things that should be recalled (cracked fender for example), but for the most part I think Victory's improvements speak volumes to their commitment to quality and willingness to recognize issues and improve their product.
As for 2015 and beyond, when I'm ready for my next bike (2-4 years) it will most likely be a Vision. Even if they leave it exactly how it is. Actually, I should say ESPECIALLY if they leave it exactly how it is...
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | I love both my Visions, that being said I could dig a new 112 or116 incher. The electronics could be upgraded and a better stronger radio would be nice. I really like Harley's new 6.5 inch touchcreen that can incorporate GPS and all kinds of stuff, hey it is almost 2014. Don't mess with the fairing or seating position it's the best out there................. |
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Lindale, TX | The Vision should not be in competition with any Harley Davidsons. Let the Cross Country compete with that company. The next version of the Vision should continue to strive to be the best long haul two-up touring motorcycle in the heavy weight touring class.
In the next Vision model design, Gold Wing riders should be envious of the styling, legroom, storage, electronics and handling. Victory has the designers to make this happen.
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Jasper, MO | Easttexasrider - 2013-10-13 9:45 PM
The Vision should not be in competition with any Harley Davidsons. Let the Cross Country compete with that company. The next version of the Vision should continue to strive to be the best long haul two-up touring motorcycle in the heavy weight touring class.
In the next Vision model design, Gold Wing riders should be envious of the styling, legroom, storage, electronics and handling. Victory has the designers to make this happen.
So, all they really need to improve is the storage and electronics. They've already got the styling, legroom, and handling covered.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | rdbudd - 2013-10-13 9:52 PM
Easttexasrider - 2013-10-13 9:45 PM
The Vision should not be in competition with any Harley Davidsons. Let the Cross Country compete with that company. The next version of the Vision should continue to strive to be the best long haul two-up touring motorcycle in the heavy weight touring class.
In the next Vision model design, Gold Wing riders should be envious of the styling, legroom, storage, electronics and handling. Victory has the designers to make this happen.
So, all they really need to improve is the storage and electronics. They've already got the styling, legroom, and handling covered.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | willtill - 2013-10-12 5:06 PM
jimtom - 2013-10-12 10:46 AM
I would love tire pressure moniter and oil life. I really believe these features will find their way to the Vision.
You want a tire pressure monitor and oil life? WTF?
Check your tires weekly for pressure; at the same time you are looking at the condition of the rubber. You are "visually" inspecting your tires; rather than from an instrument.... yes? Correct...?
Oil life? WTF? Do you have a working odometer? Change the frikken oil when it's time... you don't need no damned bells and whistles to advise you of that....
I sense that some of our brethern here are getting too laid back and want "Bentley" electonics with our beloved spaceship
Ride your ride. All above said in good fun...
yes Will, I would like those features. Working 65-70 hrs a week, my kids involved in school athletics, and church... I'm tired and just want to be told when to change oil and when to put air in I don't have a shop either and just have to lay down in the grass to check air (at least on the back tire). To be honest, I normally don't check my oil at all between the 2500 mile intervals. I just change it and when it's time , I change it again.  I check my air before big trips. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Really??? More lights and fuel injection? That's a first. The Vision is lit 360 degrees. I get "flashed" all the time by oncoming traffic when my lights or on dim. I can spot light coons in the tree tops on the way to work and scan the entire 50 foot right of way on either side of the pavement on the way to work. The back is basically one big light.My badges even light up. Fuel injection fix? What's wrong with it? Or what's wrong with yours? Mine runs fine. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Arkainzeye - 2013-10-13 6:07 AM
i dont mean this to be saying the vision is bad .. but you know what i think is a crook of $hit? how when i went to buy my first vision i read articles that said the vision was YEARS IN THE MAKING.. i thought it was 5-6 years? (if im wrong im sorry) but heres my point. so when the 2008 vision was released to the public, if you read these articles you would be led to believe that it was a polished motorcycles but look how the very NEXT year many things that had to "improve" speakers, (superseded rotor part number(s)) even things like charging system components. Im not saying it should never be improved . but the very next year? how well "tested" does that say the bike was?? look at the crappy radio... can they say they honestly tested that in Real World conditions? even the 2011 vision.. look at the 100,000 mile transmission !! then what do they do in 2012? change it again. lol by adding another improved gear. So how much true research are they doing? i remember my first dealer saying, he was shocked they would release their top of the line bike with a radio this bad... so when i come accross a article on how the vision came to be, it doesnt mean $hit to me, as i look at it as a bunch of lies. of typical P.R. bull$hit
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Boots - 2013-10-13 8:25 AM
Arkainzeye - 2013-10-13 6:07 AM
i dont mean this to be saying the vision is bad .. but you know what i think is a crook of $hit? how when i went to buy my first vision i read articles that said the vision was YEARS IN THE MAKING.. i thought it was 5-6 years? (if im wrong im sorry) but heres my point. so when the 2008 vision was released to the public, if you read these articles you would be led to believe that it was a polished motorcycles but look how the very NEXT year many things that had to "improve" speakers, (superseded rotor part number(s)) even things like charging system components. Im not saying it should never be improved . but the very next year? how well "tested" does that say the bike was?? look at the crappy radio... can they say they honestly tested that in Real World conditions? even the 2011 vision.. look at the 100,000 mile transmission !! then what do they do in 2012? change it again. lol by adding another improved gear. So how much true research are they doing? i remember my first dealer saying, he was shocked they would release their top of the line bike with a radio this bad... so when i come accross a article on how the vision came to be, it doesnt mean $hit to me, as i look at it as a bunch of lies. of typical P.R. bull$hit
Wow - Research to me means just that ~ Research. Theories and ideas tested, then applied in real-world scenarios. No matter how much testing is done it will never be 'right'. It's not possible to make sure everything is 100% perfect in every riding situation for every rider. My radio, for example, is just fine for me.
I can't defend things that should be recalled (cracked fender for example), but for the most part I think Victory's improvements speak volumes to their commitment to quality and willingness to recognize issues and improve their product.
As for 2015 and beyond, when I'm ready for my next bike (2-4 years) it will most likely be a Vision. Even if they leave it exactly how it is. Actually, I should say ESPECIALLY if they leave it exactly how it is...
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| Victory could do several upgrades to the Vision that were retrogradeable to the older models. 114/116 engine increase, smoother/quieter trans, a redesign of the saddlebag interior panels and doors for more capacity. Top filter and cam upgrades could be the next stage two options. The Vision is a great bike and should be around for many more years in an improved manor, if Polaris chooses to improve rather than replace. |
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seattle, wa | jimtom - 2013-10-14 2:43 AM
Really??? More lights and fuel injection? That's a first. The Vision is lit 360 degrees. I get "flashed" all the time by oncoming traffic when my lights or on dim. I can spot light coons in the tree tops on the way to work and scan the entire 50 foot right of way on either side of the pavement on the way to work. The back is basically one big light.My badges even light up. Fuel injection fix? What's wrong with it? Or what's wrong with yours? Mine runs fine.
If the fuel injection was better, you wouldn't hear about any of the backfiring issues that Vics have.
I would like to have the option of adding more running lights, like they do on Goldwings.
If people are "flashing" you all the time, then maybe you need to adjust your headlight, especially if you can see the coons in the trees. And don't run your HID light at night. |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Mine makes one pop when I shift, who cares, oh sorry, you do I really wish it didn't but I don't lose sleep over it so to speak. Like tons of Vision riders, I have the extra lights PIAA on the forks. My headlight doesn't need adjusting ,it's just so bright. Oncomers mistake the super bright for high beam. |
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Central Maryland | Mine will pop occasionally too when I shift up; which is fine by me. Got the Dobeck EFI and Lloyds top filter, along with the S1L2's installed... so it's going to be a little more pronounced at times. With the opened exhaust; you're going to hear more pops occasionally than with the stock exhaust.
I need to get a set of pulled back bars though. Getting tired of trying to kick back and still having to reach for the bars with straightened arms.
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Sand Rock, AL United States | there is a set in the classifieds right now 1" up 2" back |
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Central Maryland | jimtom - 2013-10-15 5:47 AM
there is a set in the classifieds right now 1" up 2" back
Thanks. I see them. They are black though, not chromed. But I may change my mind later this morning... going to take the bike to work and imagine black one's installed. I'll decide when I get to work later this am.
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| In 2008, MotorcycleUSA compared the Vision against the current HD and gave the nod to the Vision hands down. In 2011, MotorcycleUSA compared the 2011 Vision against the new 2011 HD Factory Road Glide Tour package. In those 3 years, HD made improvements that resulted in HD getting the nod this time (HD improved frame, tracking, brakes, power plant, storage capacity, etc. where Victory just tweaked the transmission). It appears HD means to keep its frame mounted fairing touring market share.
As stated before, the HD RoadGlide is being redesigned for 2015. I truely wish Victory is keeping/exceeding pace for 2015.
Also, someone posted that the Vision is not in competition with HD. I believe it is in direct competition with the HD Road Glide, HD's only frame mounted fairing touring bike. The Victory Cross bikes are fork mounted fairing/shields which more directly compete with the HD fork mounted fairing/shield bikes. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/10/9011/Motorcycle-Article/2011-Victory-Vision-Tour-vs-Road-Glide-Ultra.aspx
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New Bohemia, VA | I guess I miss it in what I should be looking for in a bike. While brand can be important, riding experience is the utmost. If Harley has improved anything it's only because they saw competition, not because they were really looking to improve. I doubt very seriously that Harley-Davidison will come out with anything that would closely compete with the Vision in handling and comfort. After 6 years of riding the same bike, I am more than satisfied. I've stated before, if ANY brand can build a bike that rides and fits better I would go with that next, but I've got a feeling I'll be riding a Vision a few more years. |
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Central Illinois | TimS - 2013-10-18 10:24 PM In 2008, MotorcycleUSA compared the Vision against the current HD and gave the nod to the Vision hands down. In 2011, MotorcycleUSA compared the 2011 Vision against the new 2011 HD Factory Road Glide Tour package. In those 3 years, HD made improvements that resulted in HD getting the nod this time (HD improved frame, tracking, brakes, power plant, storage capacity, etc. where Victory just tweaked the transmission). It appears HD means to keep its frame mounted fairing touring market share. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/10/9011/Motorcycle-Article/2011-Victory-Vision-Tour-vs-Road-Glide-Ultra.aspx A magazine can say anything that they want to. That 2011 HD Road Glide Ultra is the bike I traded for my Vision. The ride felt similar but the RGU used to scare me on a particular sweeper at about 50 MPH. I have ridden it at over 60 on my Vision with confidence (got caught by surprise by the cruise being set higher than usual so I decided to just ride it out). These days I intentionally go into that sweeper at 60. The Vision's seats, riding position, heated grips and seat and relatively cheap engine upgrades, starting from a solid basic engine are all factors that influence me. Even that electric windshield is something completely unavailable on a Road Glide. I actually had to buy a new windshield to make my RGU ridable. Everyone has different priorities and preferences so I am sure the magazine tester was expressing his own opinion but that does not make him right. I hold a very different opinion after 7600 miles on my Vision and 15000 miles on my RGU.
Edited by Oldman47 2013-10-21 4:54 PM
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| The Vision is not falling behind Harley Davidson Touring models even at 7 years old its still better then that " New" Rushmore stuff its all smoke and mirrors. |
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Banjo - 2013-11-01 8:10 PM
The Vision is not falling behind Harley Davidson Touring models even at 7 years old its still better then that " New" Rushmore stuff its all smoke and mirrors.
I agree on most points: There is no way you can make a ElectraGlide or RoadGlide as comfortable as a Vision. I tried for a few years then gave up and sold my RoadGlide. The wind protection is vastly superior to The RoadGlide and absolutely destroys the ElectraGlide in that department. I doubt Harley will have an adjustable windscreen on the new 2015 RG, we'll see on that in a 10 months or so. Our SOHC side by side plain bearing engines are decades ahead of any knife and fork engines offered by Harley. And the performance potential for Vics vs Harleys is ridicules in favor of the Victory, for $2000 you get 115 HP out of our Freedom 106's for the same $2000 you end up with about 90 HP with a 103 incher and 95HP with a 110 inch HD.
However the new stereos and information center on the Harleys is a generation ahead of anything on any Vision, Cross Country or Indian Chieftain. That could easily be fixed though.......... |
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| With down draft EFI they have to find a better ECM and some how get rid of that dam IAV. Harley has Champion make a sprak plug just for there bike so they don't knock.
Wouldn't mind six pistion breaks up front a long with fly by wire throttel and that a lone would make for a better cruse control.
Bigger hand grips heated of coarse. Of coarse LED lights and more horse power
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Six piston brakes up front would be VERY nice........... |
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Pittsburgh, PA | jimtom - 2013-10-14 4:45 AM
Arkainzeye - 2013-10-13 6:07 AM
i dont mean this to be saying the vision is bad .. but you know what i think is a crook of $hit? how when i went to buy my first vision i read articles that said the vision was YEARS IN THE MAKING.. i thought it was 5-6 years? (if im wrong im sorry) but heres my point. so when the 2008 vision was released to the public, if you read these articles you would be led to believe that it was a polished motorcycles but look how the very NEXT year many things that had to "improve" speakers, (superseded rotor part number(s)) even things like charging system components. Im not saying it should never be improved . but the very next year? how well "tested" does that say the bike was?? look at the crappy radio... can they say they honestly tested that in Real World conditions? even the 2011 vision.. look at the 100,000 mile transmission !! then what do they do in 2012? change it again. lol by adding another improved gear. So how much true research are they doing? i remember my first dealer saying, he was shocked they would release their top of the line bike with a radio this bad... so when i come accross a article on how the vision came to be, it doesnt mean $hit to me, as i look at it as a bunch of lies. of typical P.R. bull$hit
you're kind of a negative nancy
I know thats how it sounds.. I guess i could say.... I dont make the truth, i just speak it... =( |
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New Bohemia, VA | There are some things hard to figure out, but I've come to the assessment that IF the Vision was perfect in all regards, fit and finish, radio, sound,, and so on, the bike would be around $40,000. The Vision has the ride down to a science, comfort and styling way ahead of it's time, with that I'm happy it was affordable. I'm convinced though that motorcycles owners want the best of both worlds, their living room on two wheels, and wind in their face. Me, I like it raw as I can get it for as long as I can get it. I like the wind and weather protection so I can stay in the saddle longer, that's human, the rest is just spoiled.
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Georgia, west of Atlanta | Seems like the BIG touring rigs ( Vision, Cross Country Tour, Goldwing 1800, BMW1600, Harley Ultras ect...) Are getting like luxury cars. Each time one gets different/more modern options it forces competitors to up their offerings, although not quite as quickly as in the automotive world. I thought the new Indian Chieftain info center with tire pressure, oil temp ect... was quite an offering but then Harley blew that out of the water with it's 6.5" Info center with touch screen and the GPS mapping available. Technology moves on, to some it's not as important as it is to others. One huge advantage the Vision has is it's basic size, with that it's the most comfortable bike made. The other stuff is like tensil on a Christmas tree, just trimmings. But the trimmings mean alot to some people................
Edited by XRsteve 2013-11-03 9:40 AM
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New Bohemia, VA | So be it...I like the music my 106...and my big screen horizon... |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | varyder - 2013-11-03 2:55 PM
So be it...I like the music my 106...and my big screen horizon...
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| Hey Vision Owners (VOs),
I first encountered the Victory Vision at the 2009 Long Beach Motorcycle Show. It was the white premium edition with polished wheels. Up until then I rode a Honda VTX 1800 (no bags). I would stuff what I needed I a small duffle bag and strap it to the back of the bike. I had ordered a bunch of add-ons to the bike to make it unique as we all do. However, just before I was to install all of it I had a twist of fate. While riding with my club on the I-5 freeway near San Diego I was hit by a car at 70mph and the bike was totaled. Thanks to God and some great riding gear my injuries were very minor. This led me to initially buying first an old 1993 Kawasaki ZX-11 which was cool when I was 30 but sucked for comfort as I'd just turned 46. I was later allowed access to a very impressive 2009 Suzuki M109R Limited Edition. I kept it until the owner died and learned he owed a lot of money on it. I gave it back to the dealer where he bought it.
Both bikes sat in my garage until May 2014. My wife complained to the point of no longer riding with me. We were about to turn 50 in 2013' and wanted a real touring no more packing bags and carrying them to our destination. My case for the aforementioned accident had settled and it was time. We rode the Goldwing, Harley Ultra Glide, the BMW and the Victory Cross Country. I saved the Victory Vision for last because my wife had not yet seen one before. The ride blew the both of us away. I told her that I had first saw it in 2009 and that is the year model that I wanted. I made an excellent deal on a Black 2009 Victory Vision Premium and have not regretted buying it. You see having storage period, is a luxury. I don't know everything people carry. I know that for everything I need to carry it's more than enough room. Oh and yes it is cool to be unique. When I go to bike functions I'm told that the Harley Ultra-Glide is "the Cadillac" of Motorcycles but the Victory Vision is the Rolls Royce because everyone doesn't have one. |
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| Welcome to the site, the VV is a fantastic ride! |
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Sand Rock, AL United States | Sh0ps - 2014-08-15 7:22 PM
Hey Vision Owners (VOs),
I first encountered the Victory Vision at the 2009 Long Beach Motorcycle Show. It was the white premium edition with polished wheels. Up until then I rode a Honda VTX 1800 (no bags). I would stuff what I needed I a small duffle bag and strap it to the back of the bike. I had ordered a bunch of add-ons to the bike to make it unique as we all do. However, just before I was to install all of it I had a twist of fate. While riding with my club on the I-5 freeway near San Diego I was hit by a car at 70mph and the bike was totaled. Thanks to God and some great riding gear my injuries were very minor. This led me to initially buying first an old 1993 Kawasaki ZX-11 which was cool when I was 30 but sucked for comfort as I'd just turned 46. I was later allowed access to a very impressive 2009 Suzuki M109R Limited Edition. I kept it until the owner died and learned he owed a lot of money on it. I gave it back to the dealer where he bought it.
Both bikes sat in my garage until May 2014. My wife complained to the point of no longer riding with me. We were about to turn 50 in 2013' and wanted a real touring no more packing bags and carrying them to our destination. My case for the aforementioned accident had settled and it was time. We rode the Goldwing, Harley Ultra Glide, the BMW and the Victory Cross Country. I saved the Victory Vision for last because my wife had not yet seen one before. The ride blew the both of us away. I told her that I had first saw it in 2009 and that is the year model that I wanted. I made an excellent deal on a Black 2009 Victory Vision Premium and have not regretted buying it. You see having storage period, is a luxury. I don't know everything people carry. I know that for everything I need to carry it's more than enough room. Oh and yes it is cool to be unique. When I go to bike functions I'm told that the Harley Ultra-Glide is "the Cadillac" of Motorcycles but the Victory Vision is the Rolls Royce because everyone doesn't have one.
Great post! |
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2015 Vision ???