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Godspeed
Posted 2015-07-28 9:49 PM (#173916 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 112
Denver, Iowa
I'm so disappointed with this company, anymore...
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rwilly
Posted 2015-07-28 10:38 PM (#173922 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 523
seattle, wa
No need to drastically redo the Vision, it's pretty good as is. There are some things I would change, but it wouldn't be the whole motor.
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sdvic
Posted 2015-07-28 10:40 PM (#173923 - in reply to #173916)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 71
San Diego, Ca
I wonder if they even fixed the front fender on the 16's?? I can't tell from the web site.
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TimS
Posted 2015-07-28 11:03 PM (#173925 - in reply to #173923)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

sdvic - 2015-07-28 8:40 PM I wonder if they even fixed the front fender on the 16's?? I can't tell from the web site.

The recall is good until June 24, 2017.

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Vladezip
Posted 2015-07-29 12:36 AM (#173930 - in reply to #173221)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Glendale, AZ United States
TimS - 2015-07-06 8:19 PM

V-rodder - 2015-07-06 7:08 PM

I heard that the Vision is being done as a liquid cooled "Road Glide" styled version of the Cross Country. So essentially a frame mounted fairing Cross Country with a radiator. This would make sense as it would be a better seller/competitor with HD and streamline the bagger line since the bikes would be more similar. Guess we will see in a few weeks.

?

Thanks for the quick response.? Seems like everyone is getting into the fixed fairing bagger business.

BMW Bagger



I hope that BMW 101 concept goes into production. Very sharp looking bike as far as I'm concerned. BMW is going with a new aggressive styling approach in order to attract younger buyers, but it may bite them in the ARS since many BMW old timers are not on board with this marketing strategy in addition to the BMWs just getting too expensive for many.
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ltbiker
Posted 2015-07-29 2:27 AM (#173933 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 92
Chandler, AZ
Why would they need to be tight-lipped and have tight security at the Dealer meeting about this "new" line-up - an electric bike and some different colors!! Notice there was nothing new in the Indian line-up either. Wonder if there's any chance anything is being held back for a Sturgis intro? Very underwhelming!
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Street Eagle
Posted 2015-07-29 11:27 AM (#173953 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 691
Manchester, CT
I think its about time the execs at Polaris stand up and take notice that the execs at Victory, in particular Steve Mennetto, needs to be replaced. In recent interviews including the VMC national event last year, he misleads Victory owners and provides no thought leadership. I love my VIsion but my next bike won't be a Victory. Great bikes but Victory as a business has become complacent and doesn't listen to its customer base.
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IndyVision
Posted 2015-07-29 11:33 AM (#173954 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 398
I've listened to him talk before. When you refer to the bikes as "product", it shows you have no true understanding what motorcycles and riding is about.
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V-rodder
Posted 2015-07-29 11:49 AM (#173956 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 105
Agreed. If motorcycles are products to you, then you definitely don't ride.
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TimS
Posted 2015-07-29 12:05 PM (#173957 - in reply to #173933)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

ltbiker - 2015-07-29 12:27 AM Why would they need to be tight-lipped and have tight security at the Dealer meeting about this "new" line-up - an electric bike and some different colors!!  ...

Shame, embarassment, prolong pissing off Victory customers ?

 

ltbiker - 2015-07-29 12:27 AM .. Notice there was nothing new in the Indian line-up either. ...!

Indians are not 8 years out either.  Indians already have superior fit and finish, real leather, LEDs, 111 cu in engine, real paint (no paper decals), more metal, less plastic, bigger saddle bag storage, etc.

 

ltbiker - 2015-07-29 12:27 AM ... Wonder if there's any chance anything is being held back for a Sturgis intro? ...

Maybe a Ness version or 2.

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sdvic
Posted 2015-07-29 1:12 PM (#173958 - in reply to #173957)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 71
San Diego, Ca
Tim,

I have been waiting for a couple of years to move up to a newer upgraded model. Victory has given me no choice other than two colors which I don't care for and Victory wonders why they don't sell more Visions.

Ken
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TimS
Posted 2015-07-29 2:14 PM (#173962 - in reply to #173958)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

sdvic - 2015-07-29 11:12 AM Tim, I have been waiting for a couple of years to move up to a newer upgraded model. Victory has given me no choice other than two colors which I don't care for and Victory wonders why they don't sell more Visions. Ken

Can't agree with you more.  They are doing a great job of driving away repeat Vision customers (myself included).

I rode a ways to attend a grand opening of a new Victory/Indian dealership the other night.  Looking at the fit and finish between the 2015 Indians and the Vision was quite telling where Polaris's focus is.  They had quite the selection of quality Indian apperal to rival HD's offerings in contrast to what Victory has.  Looks like Victory is becoming the bastard child in favor of the Indian line.



Edited by TimS 2015-07-29 2:16 PM
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Fastfred
Posted 2015-07-29 2:23 PM (#173963 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 284
mansfield, MA United States
Very disappointed. Now I need to make a chose outside of the Victory lineup Unless I go electric. I have had my vision for sale for a month Now. So do I keep it and hit over 100K this year or sell it and get another brand. My warranty will be up in November and I'm coming close to 90K miles now.
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2015-07-29 3:58 PM (#173964 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Visionary

Posts: 3772
Pittsburgh, PA
Where that's water cooled bike??
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rjp62133
Posted 2015-07-29 5:55 PM (#173967 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 23
Philadelphia, PA United States
September. that's all an insider would say and they would not elaborate. apparently not all models get released right away, like the magnum or X1 did. I am not holding my breath. and I don't have any clue what It will be.
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jkfrazier
Posted 2015-07-29 6:25 PM (#173974 - in reply to #173967)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 49
Fort Defiance, VA United States

I too am disappointed in Vic.  I love my Vision, but it is time for them to do some updating and tweaking as others have posted.  Without question, they are missing out on sales.  I too might have traded for a new Vision had there been a reason to do so.  With no changes, I'll just keep riding my 2010.  There won't be any additional models released in September, so don't hold your breath.  It is clear to me and others that Polaris's focus is Indian and not Vic.  Having said that, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Vic line, but they shouldn't be setting on their laurels so to speak.

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Miles
Posted 2015-07-30 5:37 PM (#174001 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 546
Mount Vernon, WA United States
Ok, so we all love the Vision, but I'm not sure it's fair to say a company that puts out this bike is not doing anything

http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/electric/empulse-tt-titaniu...
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Arkainzeye
Posted 2015-07-30 6:31 PM (#174002 - in reply to #174001)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Visionary

Posts: 3772
Pittsburgh, PA
Miles - 2015-07-30 5:37 PM

Ok, so we all love the Vision, but I'm not sure it's fair to say a company that puts out this bike is not doing anything

http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/electric/empulse-tt-titaniu...




I wouldn't go giving them the (High Five) like they created something amazing.. cause they really didn't create anything.... they just bought someone else's hard work and now call it their own .. http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-polaris-buys-brammo-...
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TimS
Posted 2015-07-30 10:07 PM (#174010 - in reply to #174002)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 810

Arkainzeye - 2015-07-30 4:31 PM Miles - 2015-07-30 5:37 PM Ok, so we all love the Vision, but I'm not sure it's fair to say a company that puts out this bike is not doing anything http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/electric/empulse-tt-titaniu... I wouldn't go giving them the (High Five) like they created something amazing.. cause they really didn't create anything.... they just bought someone else's hard work and now call it their own .. http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-polaris-buys-brammo-...

 

LOL, too funny. 

C'mon Arkainzeye, Victory did [re]invent black and blue this year !!!



Edited by TimS 2015-07-30 10:07 PM
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IndyVision
Posted 2015-07-31 11:29 AM (#174014 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 398
Simply compare the paint and accessory options Indian to Victory. 4 or 5 options on the scout, Vegas...one
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SteveS
Posted 2015-07-31 2:05 PM (#174015 - in reply to #174014)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 154
Danbury, Connecticut
IndyVision - 2015-07-31 11:29 AM

Simply compare the paint and accessory options Indian to Victory. 4 or 5 options on the scout, Vegas...one

From this article, it sounds like they have intentions of improving the paint offerings but shot themselves in the foot.

Polaris Misses Expectations on Motorcycle Paint Issues--Update

1:24 pm ET July 22, 2015 (Dow Jones) Print
By James R. Hagerty

Companies routinely boast of relentless cost-cutting drives. Scott Wine, chief executive officer of Polaris Industries Inc., spent much of Wednesday morning explaining what he called an excessive attempt to pinch pennies at the maker of off-road vehicles and motorcycles.

Consultants hired by the Minneapolis-based company suggested it should spend $41 million to set up a new painting system at a motorcycle plant in Spirit Lake, Iowa, Mr. Wine said in an interview. Instead, his underlings decided to hold the cost down to $30 million by leaving out some things, such as an infrared dryer. The consultants also recommended allocating three months to work out the system's bugs before putting it into full operation. "We allowed about three hours," Mr. Wine said.

The result was a dysfunctional system that left the company unable to keep up with demand. Efforts to fix that system will add about $20 million of costs this year, Mr. Wine said. For the second quarter alone, those costs worked out to nine cents a share, causing the company to fall short of Wall Street earnings forecasts. The stock was down about 5% early Wednesday afternoon after the company reported a disappointing 4% rise in profit.

"We outsmarted ourselves," Mr. Wine said. "The laundry list of mistakes is staggering." One of them, he said, was that no one told him about the decision to spend $11 million less than the consultants recommended. Mr. Wine said he would have been happy to pay what the consultants thought was needed. One manager involved in the project has left the company, he said.

Without the infrared drying gear, Polaris relied on air blowers. That meant more dust and other particles could spoil paint jobs, requiring costly do-overs, Mr. Wine said. The company, which has diversified into making Victory and Indian motorcycles in recent years, also discovered that motorcycle buyers are much pickier about paint jobs than buyers of its main product, off-road vehicles, which tend to be mud-spattered most of the time. Polaris also underestimated demand for two-tone paint jobs, which require more time and capacity.

For now, Polaris is relying partly on old painting equipment and outsourcing to put the coatings on its motorcycles. Mr. Wine promised to sort out the problems. "I accept responsibility," he said.

Next week, Polaris plans to unveil a new battery-powered motorcycle that it hopes will help change the subject.

Despite the paint woes, the company's second-quarter profit rose to $100.9 million, or $1.49 per share, from $96.9 million, or $1.42 per share, a year earlier. Sales grew 11% to $1.12 billion, partly due to higher motorcycle sales and new products, such as the three-wheeled Slingshot.
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TimS
Posted 2015-07-31 2:46 PM (#174016 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Iron Butt

Posts: 810
Spend $20 Million to save $11 Million, sounds like the GooberMint $$$
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V-rodder
Posted 2015-07-31 4:05 PM (#174017 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: RE: 2016 Models


Cruiser

Posts: 105

The title of this article should be, "When Accountants Make Motorcycle Decisions".  Of course HD isn't any better.  Check this out:

Less than two years after buying MV Augusta an Italian motorcycle manufacturer for $109 million, Harley-Davidson Inc. essentially paid the previous owners to take it back.

Harley recently returned MV Agusta to its Italian owners for 3 euros, or about $3.98, a company spokesman confirmed Monday.

Hell, I would have given them $50 for it!  

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IndyVision
Posted 2015-07-31 5:03 PM (#174018 - in reply to #174016)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 398
TimS - 2015-07-31 2:46 PM

Spend $20 Million to save $11 Million, sounds like the GooberMint $$$


A dealer told me back in 2012 they had dirt problems in the paint shop. That was why there were some delivery problems that year. I believed him. I looked at a 2012 Cross Country that had 4 dirt spots on the saddle bag lid. Its amazing that it's taken them 15 years to realize motorcycle people a picky about fit and finish. VIctory has had fit and finish problems for a while. I've worked in the automotive industry for years, including dealing with fit and paint quality.
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IndyVision
Posted 2015-07-31 5:05 PM (#174019 - in reply to #172948)
Subject: Re: 2016 Models


Tourer

Posts: 398
I could have told the guy if you ignore what the consultants say, you'll pay double what you think you'll save. Seen it before, multiple times.
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