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EGA44
Posted 2012-07-15 3:44 PM (#119499 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 53
Gotha, FL
Praying for your complete and speedy recovery.
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SpookyEng
Posted 2012-07-15 5:04 PM (#119505 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: RE: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 74
Navarre, FL
My wishes for a speedy and full recovery. So sorry to hear about a brother going down
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8-ball
Posted 2012-07-15 5:09 PM (#119506 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Tourer

Posts: 457
Green Bay, WI United States
Hope you recovery quickly, you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.....



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wingit3611
Posted 2012-07-16 9:25 PM (#119603 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 244
God speed your recovery. Your are a good bike rider & I'm sure you will put that same good effort in to your rehab. God bless your family for thier support!
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Strike
Posted 2012-07-17 1:43 PM (#119640 - in reply to #119603)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 62
San Diego, CA
Ken,

Best wishes on your continued recovery. Always hate to hear about fellow motorcyclists going down.

Take Care!
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-07-22 2:27 PM (#119937 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
Well I am home now and have been for almost a week now. I have good days and bad but it is sure nice to be home!!
Let me start with a little info about me. I have been riding for 40+ years. I have ridden and raced dirt bikes, trials bikes, and of coarse street bikes..I have never laid down a street bike or had an accident before this one. I am or thought I was a safe rider. Never really speeding and almost always ATGATT. Thank god I had it all on that day.
From eyewitness statements and my brother being only a few seconds behind me here is what I believe happened. I pulled out of a resteraunt where we stopped for lunch. Pulling out I turned right and went up a short hill and into a long right hand turn. For some reason I began to wobble. I wound up standing the bike up and crossed the double yellow. When this happened I struck a car head on. We were both doing around 50MPH. I damaged the undercarriage, the bumper, grill, hood and windshield..On the bike,I wound up tearing the seat off with my legs. I also broke the handle bars with my pelvis and tore off the front fairing and wind shield. As I was flying through the air I glanced off the windshield and landed about 30 feet from the car. Unconscious and busted up bad. I don't remember any of that day and my brain has blocked several days that I don't remember. This is what I can piece together. I may never really know what happened.
Please ride safe all!!
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lennyb
Posted 2012-07-22 4:55 PM (#119945 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Iron Butt

Posts: 802
Perry Hall, MD
Glad to hear that you are home and able to share the story. Would really like to know what caused the wobble, but then standing the bike up is really freaky. Good thing that you weren't riding 2 up.

All the best and hope to continue hearing good news about the healing.

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varyder
Posted 2012-07-22 5:27 PM (#119948 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Possibly target acquisition, sure sounds like it. Glad you can tell us what happened. That's the main thing.
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20 10 Vision
Posted 2012-07-23 10:41 AM (#120002 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Tourer

Posts: 430
Glad you are home and healing. re: remembering what happened - a buddy of mine several years ago was riding 2 up on his HD in the middle of nowhere. Next thing he knew was being airlifted by a helicopter. he had surgery and his wife did as well. Both are well now. To this day he has no idea what happened. they were in the middle of nowhere riding along enjoying the bike and he scenary. He does not remember seeing any other vehicles or animals. Interesting side note - his wife blames the accident on the HD. They have been riding a Vision since then.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-23 10:58 AM (#120007 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
There is a story with pictures a few years a go where a deer ran out and got wedge between the front wheel and bike. The riders did not what happened until they stopped and saw the mangled deer and the blood trail.
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wingit3611
Posted 2012-07-23 11:25 AM (#120008 - in reply to #119948)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 244
"Possibly target acquisition" ? What is it, I have never heard of the term before.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-23 11:53 AM (#120012 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Do a google search. Even experienced riders will fall prey. It is simply riding in the direction you are looking. A prime example is what "possibly" our friend experienced rounding the bend, feeling uneasy upon seeing the car. In stead of keeping your eyes on the path of travel, the eyes fix on the car, thus the change of path into the car. I think the correct term is "target fixation." tons of YouTube videos on the phenomenon.

Edited by varyder 2012-07-23 11:54 AM
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Soarer
Posted 2012-07-23 8:53 PM (#120064 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Puddle Jumper

Posts: 7
glad you are around to tell the story!!! be thankful your mind blocked it out - don't dwell on what happened it will drive you crazy - i know cause i somehow met a car one day. Get well soon and when and if you get back on, listen to your instincts.
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-07-24 5:31 AM (#120080 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
I really want to thank all on this site (family) for the well wishes! It really does mean a lot.
Ride safe my brothers and sisters, please!!

Edited by handyhiker 2012-07-24 5:33 AM
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wingit3611
Posted 2012-07-24 12:42 PM (#120107 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 244
handyhiker: No one has ask the question yet so I will. I believe it was said you had a wobble. Do you think you could have had a flat tire? After the accident were either of your tires flat? They well could have been from the crash though. Guess I'd like to deflate the darkside cause sayers.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-24 12:56 PM (#120110 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
I had to go back and read to see if anyone said it was caused by going darkside and found none. Interesting to interject with such a comment. Though a flat tire could have very well pushed him out enough to have caused the collision, regardless of tire.
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-07-24 9:57 PM (#120139 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
The police looked over the bike, no flat tire. I looked at pictures of the bike after the wreck. I see no suspension problems either.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-25 4:45 AM (#120147 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Thanks for the reply hh. Something may never be known, but again, you are alive to tell about. I have a friend that is now in his mid-70s. When he was around 20 he was in a bad motorcycle accident. So bad they had him tagged and on the way to the morgue. An astute doctor notice something and had him recheck and found he was still alive. Changed his perspective of life and the here after. Though he's never rode since then, he loves to talk about riding. He still doesn't know, or remember what happened.
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-07-25 6:11 AM (#120151 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
Well i know how he feels, the doctors had there doubts weather I would make it too. Nice to prove them wrong
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Thomas
Posted 2012-07-25 10:23 AM (#120162 - in reply to #120139)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Central Wisconsin

  ...Pulling out I turned right and went up a short hill and into a long right hand turn. For some reason I began to wobble. I wound up standing the bike up and crossed the double yellow. When this happened I struck a car head on....

handyhiker - 2012-07-24 9:57 PM The police looked over the bike, no flat tire. I looked at pictures of the bike after the wreck. I see no suspension problems either.

Ken, Your accident still makes one wonder about your "wobble" comment. Maybe you can have someone/mechanic look the bike over, for any loose parts. For example; front or rear axle, swing arm, rear air shock, forks and steering head bearings.     



Edited by Thomas 2012-07-25 10:47 AM
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handyhiker
Posted 2012-07-25 1:20 PM (#120176 - in reply to #120162)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 258
Akron, Ohio
Thomas - 2012-07-25 11:23 AM

? ...Pulling out I turned right and went up a short hill and into a long right hand turn. For some reason I began to wobble. I wound up standing the bike up and crossed the double yellow. When this happened I struck a car head on....

handyhiker - 2012-07-24 9:57 PM The police looked over the bike, no flat tire. I looked at pictures of the bike after the wreck. I see no suspension problems either.

Ken, Your accident still makes one wonder about your "wobble" comment. Maybe you can have someone/mechanic look the bike over, for any loose parts. For example; front or rear axle, swing arm, rear air shock, forks and steering head bearings.? ? ?



Too late, the bike is gone. Insurance totaled the bike. Already got the check.
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-25 6:58 PM (#120213 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: RE: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
handyhikers vision -  mines a midnight cherry also.  after snubbin' and sniffin' I was finally able to get the pictures posted.  I'm amazed of how well the bike held up in all of this, I think it has something to do with Ken's survival in this, and a few other unseen things.



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CoolHandLuke
Posted 2012-07-26 8:27 AM (#120247 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Iron Butt

Posts: 849
, FL United States
Ken, after seeing the pics that Varyder found, I'm very happy to hear that you're still with us. The good Lord was watching over you on that one.
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wingit3611
Posted 2012-07-26 8:33 AM (#120249 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Cruiser

Posts: 244
Without starting a war Victorys done seem to wobble even when over loaded. Where Goldwings (4 cyl) do because of opposed pistons). From the looks of the tires, both have good tread & show no signs of cupping (on the front will cause wobble at certain speads).
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varyder
Posted 2012-07-26 8:41 AM (#120250 - in reply to #118066)
Subject: Re: rider DOWN


Visionary

Posts: 8144
New Bohemia, VA
Ken sent these to me and I posted them for him. I'd like to see a google earth view of the scene. It is events like these that keep all of us aware. Thanks again, Ken for letting us "ride" with you on this.
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